Sunday, May 29, 2016

277 Replies to comments of Shri Nilanjana

This is in continuation of our blogpost No. 239 Click here to go to post No. 239 at this blog . Our present blog post is in reply to comment dated 28th May 2016, made by Shri Nilanjana at blog post No. 239. Shri Nilanjana commented as under:--

Nilanjana said...

"... Your article is wrong on so many levels there is no point argueing with you. I just want to tell one thing.... one does not need to drink/ eat beef/ smoke to have fun. A lot of us Indians do not do either of these three and I can assure we are a hell lot happier than you are. Thank you.

May 28, 2016 at 9:40 PM


My dear friend: Pl. do not misunderstand me. Whatever we are arguing about is, to find out truth. I shall take it as my sacred duty to answer all your questions. Kindly do not think that there is no point in arguing with me.

Your sentence: I just want to tell one thing.... one does not need to drink/ eat beef/ smoke to have fun. A lot of us Indians do not do either of these three and I can assure we are a hell lot happier than you are.

You and I may not drink / eat beef / smoke to have fun. But at least 80% of Indians are non-vegetarians. They are consuming less non-vegetarian foods, NOT because they want to abstain from themselves, but BECAUSE they cannot afford to buy them daily. 80% of Indian males consume alcohol. Of course all of them may not be addicts, and some of them may be doing it for fun or to relax themselves after a day's hard work. They do not have ample money to buy alcohol. Else, Indians would have bought all the alcohol produced in this world (Already Global Multi Nationals have started dumping alcohol into India. One MNC purchased controlling share in Vijay Mallyas Breweries. Every foreign Company wants to produce and sell liquors in India).

In the 19th Century England forced its colony China to buy more opium, when they started to wean themselves away from the habit, and Opium Wars were held to compel Chinese people to revert to Opium. A day will come, when Euro-American Multi Nationals will also bring great pressure on Indian Government, (if necessary wage war) to compel Indians drink more and more alcohol (French Wines, Scotch Whiskies, Ales, Rum, VOdkas etc.). Increasing pub culture in INdia is the proof.

About fun from tobacco: You may be fully aware that Indians have already become slaves of tobacco, both chewing and smoking, notwithstanding warnings on packing, and stiff excise duties levied. Thus, you will see that there is lot of fun for and in India, in the next few decades, which I may not live to see because of my old age, but you will see.


It was raised at our blog on 18th Jan. 2008, by one Shri Somdatta Bhattacharya, at our blog post No. 131 Click here if you wish to go to post No. 131 at this blog . I shall quote his comment at 131, here:

Shri Somdatta Bhattacharya said... on Jan. 18, 2008:
Dear multisubj yb,

Thanks a lot for pointing out this letter of Swamiji. Now we can be certain that he was a normal human being after all and not the heartless monster that some people make him out to be. Don't you think after all he did for the benefit of mankind that he was entitled to his share of fun? And mind you, despite all this he lost none of his powers, for it was possibly around the same time that he demonstrated the incredible feat of memorizing the first 11 volumes of the Britannica. So go on digging up all the sleaze, its only going to add to his glory, for how many people do you find accomplishing such tremendous feats without forsaking their sense of fun? Yeah, he had taken the vows of a Sanyasin and that you are going to say precluded him from such indulgements, but for me, after what he had done, Swamiji had transcended those vows, for he had achieved whatever those vows are meant for. So keep up the good work.

ybrao-a-donkey's humble comments. वैबीराव एक गधे के विनम्र राय . వైబీరావ్ గాడిద వినమ్ర వాణి. You have every right to differ with me. I respect your right. आपको मेरे मत से भिन्न राय रखने के संपूर्ण हक है। मै उस अधिकार को परिपूर्ण रूप से गौरव देता हुँ. మీకు, మీ భిన్నమైన అభిప్రాయాన్ని కలిగిఉండే సంపూర్ణ హక్కు ఉంది. దానిని ఎంతో నేను గౌరవిస్తాను. However, pl. examine this donkey's views also. परन्तु एस गधे के दृष्टिकोण को भी अनुशीलन कीजिये. కానీ ఈ గాడిద దృష్టికోణాన్ని కూడ ఓర చూపుతో కంటజూడుమీ, క్రీగంట జూడమీ.

India is a country of hero-worship and idol-worship (raising statues as high as 500 ft.). Before we raise statues, build temples for the Heroes, won't we have a duty to exercise minimum diligence to verify facts?

What I am more shocked to find that the entire Indian Nation of 1300 million has not bothered to verify facts about what Swamiji has done in United States, and whether he has really uplifted the Nation or not? Presidents, Prime Ministers, University Vice Chancellors, I.A.S.-I.P.S. Officials, Judges. Hundreds of Crores have been spent on building memorials for him. $1.5 million have been donated to Chicago University to establish a Chair to research on Swami Vivekananda's Works. I do not know what they have done.

Recently one IPS Officer of Additional DGP rank has taken for himself as one of his life's ambitions to produce hundreds of Vivekanandas from Indian Youth (while on service or after retirement or either, not clear). In one of his lectures, the IPS Officer advised Indian youth to stay away from tobacco, alcohol. He has also ridiculed Indian youth standing near wineshops (probably to taste wine). I do not know, why that I.P.S. Officer has taken Swami Vivekananda as a role model for Indian Youth when Swamiji himself was addicted to cigars, and was not averse to alcohol.

I expected I.P.S. Officers, particularly those who work in CBI, to be more deep-studying to unravel hitherto unknown things. I have no right to claim that the particular IPS Officer who wanted to produce Vivekanandas from youth(s), has not read Swami Vivekananda's Complete Works thoroughly, before deciding to produce modern Vivekananda's on a larger scale. I wish that he reads the Epistles again.

I appeal to all the admirers / fans / devotees of Swami Vivekananda, to study his Epistles, his Life thoroughly. Preachings, anybody can make. But what is more important is: There should not be conflicts between preachings and practice. Since he claimed to represent Hinduism (later for sometime he denied it saying that he does not belong to Hindus alone), there is an expectation that he will adhere to the tenets of Hindu Monks and Hindu Vedanta. Unfortunately, that did not happen. Instead, he seemed to be confused when he reached his last days. For that reason only, he boasted in sacrificing a goat in Durga Pooja, and in lighting fireworks, instead of concentrating his mind on the advaita philosophy which he claimed to have preached abroad.

Last but not least: Hinduism is not a proseylitizing religion. There is no need to spread it abroad. If any citizen(s) of any country care to undertake a comparative study of the major religions of the World, particularly Christianity, Islam and Hindu Theories (Hinduism is not a Religion), and if they find that Hindu Culture and Hindu style of living has some merits over the Semitic Religions, and if they want to adopt the life style of a Hindu samsAri (householder) or a Hindu sanyAsi (monk), we can help them in their endeavours, without converting them. We can tell them frankly that there is no need for them to convert.

I welcome more specific questions. I shall try to answer with proof.

Subject to corrections and deletions. A lot more is to be added. To continue. सशेष. ఇంకా ఉంది.

Tuesday, May 17, 2016

276 Replies to Comments of Shri ANONYMOUS at our blog post No. 239

I invite more and more specific questions, which I shall try to answer with proof. Indians have every right to love their religions and cultures. At the same time, it may be not be reasonable to deify people by giving them credit disproportionate to their work. There is also NO NEED to spread Hinduism abroad and convert people living there (Some people take pride in the actions of Vivekananda doing it). We never needed / need / will need no ambassadors abroad for spreading Indian Culture and Indian Life Styles in foreign lands. The lifestyles of migrants from India, serve as examples for foreigners to know what India means. Hence our NRIs and PIOs are to be more cautious when they imitate foreigners blindly. Progressive changes are always welcome. It is more important for democratically elected Indian Government to defend Indian Culture from foreign religious attacks with foreign funds, and Capitalist Life Styles.
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wrong information.please stop it.


All the quotes furnished in all the posts at this Vivekanandayb blog, are from his Complete Works i.e. Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda, published by his devotees and his monasteries. None of them are those which are taken from publication of Christian Missionaries. His devotees and monasteries have not published LETTERS RECEIVED BY SWAMI VIVEKANANDA (INWARD MAIL OR INBOX), there will be greater clarity. Some of the in-mail of Swami Vivekananda may be lying in the records / offices of Ramakrishna and Vivekananda monasteries. Let us hope that those letters will also be published.

My request to Shri Anonymous: There is nothing wrong in loving one's own country and religion. I also agree that Christian Missionaries receiving funds in India from abroad are recklessly converting Indians by false propaganda and inducements. But, for all the harm which is being done to the integrity of India by Missionaries, making Vivekananda a God , is not a solution. Govt. of India has to make suitable laws and enforce them in India. We may keep in mind that HInduism is not a religion. It is a composite culture of a geographical entity of India, which evolved over Centuries. It needs protection from CONVERTERS AND PROSEYLITIZERS receiving funds from abroad, particularly Europe, USA, Saudi Arabia, U.A.E. and other Gulf countries, Pakistan. Already much harm has been done. Govt. of India has to wake up.

Indian Christianity and Indian Islam may have to free themselves from foreign bondages. If Hindu culture is totally bad, if it is irretrievable, incorrigible, ir-reformable, and if somebody in India finds that it is not longer possible to continue within - enduring it, the next alternative will be IRRELIGIOSITY or ATHEISM. Not alien brands of Christianity, Islam or alien-style Buddhism. There is no need to associate IRRELIGIOSITY or ATHEISM with immorality or lack of ethics. A person, though irreligious or atheist, can continue to hold and practise morally high values and ethics. Religion and Ethics are not linked to one another.

What is the use of garlanding Vivekananda statues, and making speeches every day?

I have given information only when the quotes are authentic. I have left out, some other important areas such as Viveekananda's alleged misbehavior with the wife of Governor of Michigan in Detroit City, because Vivekananda blamed the incident as malicious propaganda by Ramabai (an Indian Christian Missionary who also worked in USA), and Late Prafulla Chandra Mozundar of Brahmo Samaj (in Chicago, he too helped Swami Vivekananda to participate in the Congress of Religions 1893). Both Vivekananda and Mazundar used their publications (journals) to criticise one another.

Vivekananda deserves due credit and praise, notwithstanding his alleged misdemeanours abroad. But, when compared to the service done by the freedom fighters who were incarcerated in Andaman Cellular Prison, the services rendered by Vivekananda will pale into insignificance. Compared to the sacrifices made by Andaman Freedom fighters, even Mahatma Gandhi's work, Nehru dynasty's work, pale into insignificance. But the Andaman Prisoners do not have monasteries to sing their praises, and worship them, while Vivekananda had left behind monasteries to do canvassing work. They do not have Gandhi Memorial Trusts behind them. They do not have Nehru dynasty successors extending upto Rahul Gandhi and Priyanka.

All our ideas seem to get skewed year by year. This is because, we seem to develop LOVE and HATE relationships too quickly, without going into depth of facts.


Pl. study the Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda thoroughly. Pl. also study all the 275 blog posts here. Pl. ask specific questions. I shall go through the Complete Works and against approach you with replies.