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275 Replies to Anonymous in respect of his Comments dated 19th March 2014.
Discussion Menu: Life Style, Hindu Monks, Control of Senses, Celibacy, virginity, Miss Muller, Bengalies
Anonymous said... There was some confusion in the mind of Miss Muller that Swami Vivekananda was not following strict discipline of Vegetarianism and smoking Cigarette as a Hindu monk. Swami-ji pointed out that these are nothing to do with Monks, rather monks are strict to Brahmacharya(purity in mind and body) and service to mankind. Later Miss Muller realized her mistake after two years and they had a very good relationship. There is no secret or surprise on their friendship.
If you read letters of Swami Vivekananda then these will be clear. March 19, 2014 at 2:27 AM
Please furnish some proof to show that Miss Muller had realised her mistake after two years and that they had a very good relationship.
Her saying to Bombay newspaper: ''her saying that she is face to face with the unavoidable conclusion that it is utterly rotten and corrupt from beginning to end and full of danger to the unhappy people who place their faith in it. "
This comment is not an ordinary comment about just some non-veg. food or smoking. Nobody will say 'utterly rotten and corrupt from beginning to end and full of danger to the unhappy people who place their faith in it' when they see a person eating non-veg and cigars.
Swamiji himself wrote that his nerves were overtaxed. A person with purity of mind should not have his nerves overtaxed.
Swamiji himself wrote to a lady asking her to send photos to verify how much fat she built.
Swamiji himself wrote a letter to a foreign lady demanding money, claiming credit for her getting a good husband. See this quote.
Swamiji prayed a woman to come to India to have a 'hot time in this old town'. Is this an indication of purity of mind?
Is this a lullaby written by Vivekananda with purity of mind? Who is this jewel? Why gold? What is this apple coming to his mouth by itself? What is this coming, coming, coming.
What is Harriet giving Vivekananda a few dollars every month?
He spent the money, he earned through his lectures, as he liked. This you can observe from his letter to Ms. Ole.
Vivekananda called himself and his guru "paramahamsas (Great Swans)".
I invite you Shri Anonymousji to provide a list of attributes of a paramahamsa monk.
When we see the photos of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Swami Vivekananda in postures of meditation, we get a great impression that they are flying in some ionosphere. With Swami Vivekananda's belly filled with chicken, shad fish and turtles, liquor, cigar smoke and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa's belly filled with goat's meat, what type of 'dhyAna-sphere' they would have entered into?
Gayatri mantram says
It was not Miss Muller who was confused. Vivekananda did not meet her expectations. Even Vivekananda was not confused. He wanted to have both the worlds. The world of turtles, shad fish, chicken, cigar, liquors and the honors which the society extends to monks, without checking whether they are genuine or not.
Europeans can really NEVER know how genuine Hindu Monks are expected to live, because they are not familiar with India's ancient past. Wearing kAshAya robes, some peculiar turban, some waist belt was sufficient for them to believe that a person was a Hindu monk.
An English-knowing monk can easily score over English-not-knowing monks, because he can easily explain his unmonkly behavior. When Vivekananda tried to explain that vegetarianism, liquors and smoking were not taboo for Hindu monks, it suited the Europeans very much, because here was a Hindu monk who did not ask them to stop ham and binges of booze.
American women were not convinced with the explanations provided by Swami Vivekananda and they could not believe that monks could behave like ordinary individuals, and could suffer from diseases which commoners suffer. For this reason only, his second visit to U.S.A. was a failure. When Vivekananda wanted a fund for his personal maintenance to be raised by subscribing $100 each, very few people came forward and it did not materialise. Vivekananda returned to India, nearly empty handed.
Swami Vivekananda's problems were mainly caused by mithyahara vihara sevana.
Mithyahara Vihara Sevana leads to Agnimandya as well as Amotpatti. Ahara Rasa forms improperly. Leads to Rasa Kshaya. Causes Jatharagni, without matching digestive capabilities.
This is the reason for the premature demise of Swamiji at just 39. While lecturing on rAjayoga, and selling rAjayOga books, he promised that followers will live 150 years. He himself died at 39!! Why? Because, he did not follow his preachings.
Poor people do not need charity. A fair share in the resources of the country and the society is people's natural right. No majority religion, no minority religion. No this caste, no that caste. Marxism can take care of everybody.
Till the society abolishes the occupation of 'monkhood', monks should work for their livelihood, like other householders. Didn't Kabir weave cloth on his loom, while singing his dOhe? Did n't Tukaram sing his abhangas while taking care of his jowar field? Did n't Telugu poet pOtana write mahAbhAgavatam, operating plough and stylus with equal ease? He ploughed fields to make his living. Mornings and evenings he used his stylus to write bhAgavatam on palm leaves, with no electricity or computers at that time!
Discussion Menu: Life Style, Hindu Monks, Control of Senses, Celibacy, virginity, Miss Muller, Bengalies
Anonymous said... There was some confusion in the mind of Miss Muller that Swami Vivekananda was not following strict discipline of Vegetarianism and smoking Cigarette as a Hindu monk. Swami-ji pointed out that these are nothing to do with Monks, rather monks are strict to Brahmacharya(purity in mind and body) and service to mankind. Later Miss Muller realized her mistake after two years and they had a very good relationship. There is no secret or surprise on their friendship.
If you read letters of Swami Vivekananda then these will be clear. March 19, 2014 at 2:27 AM
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Your comment: Later Miss Muller realized her mistake after two years and they had a very good relationship. There is no secret or surprise on their friendship.
Please furnish some proof to show that Miss Muller had realised her mistake after two years and that they had a very good relationship.
Her saying to Bombay newspaper: ''her saying that she is face to face with the unavoidable conclusion that it is utterly rotten and corrupt from beginning to end and full of danger to the unhappy people who place their faith in it. "
This comment is not an ordinary comment about just some non-veg. food or smoking. Nobody will say 'utterly rotten and corrupt from beginning to end and full of danger to the unhappy people who place their faith in it' when they see a person eating non-veg and cigars.
Your comment: ''...rather monks are strict to Brahmacharya(purity in mind and body) and service to mankind...''Please provide definitions of strict brahmacharya (purity in mind and body).
Purity in body
Will a body dumped with turtles, shad fish, chicken, cigar smoke be pure?Purity in mind
How will you define purity of mind?Swamiji himself wrote that his nerves were overtaxed. A person with purity of mind should not have his nerves overtaxed.
Swamiji himself wrote to a lady asking her to send photos to verify how much fat she built.
Swamiji himself wrote a letter to a foreign lady demanding money, claiming credit for her getting a good husband. See this quote.
But "Willy" or no "Willy", I must have my money, don't forget. Harriet is discreetly silent since she got her boy; but where is my money, please? Remind her and her husband of it. If she is Woolley, I am greasy Bengali, as the English call us here — Lord, where is my money?
I have got a monastery on the Ganga now, after all, thanks to American and English friends. Tell Mother to look sharp. I am going to deluge your Yankee land with idolatrous missionaries.
Tell Mr. Woolley he got the sister but has not paid the brother yet. Moreover, it was the fat black queerly dressed apparition smoking in the parlour that frightened many a temptation away, and that was one of the causes which secured Harriet to Mr. Woolley; therefore, I want to be paid for my great share in the work etc., etc. Plead strong, will you?
Who is the greasy bengali fat black queerly dressed apparition smoking in the parlour in the above quoted letter to Ms. Hale? Our Vivekananda only. Why does he want to deluge the yankee land with idolatrous missionaries? Where is Vivekananda's money? Shame! Shame to Indians!
Swamiji prayed a woman to come to India to have a 'hot time in this old town'. Is this an indication of purity of mind?
"... What do you think will be very good for me on earth? Silver? Gold? Pooh! I have got something infinitely better; but a little gold will not be amiss to keep my jewel in proper surroundings, and it is coming, don't you think so? I am a man who frets much, but waits all the same; and the apple comes to my mouth by itself. So, it is coming, coming, coming. ... Now, how are you? Growing ever thinner, thinner, thinner, eh? Do have a very good appetite and good sleep in anticipation of the coming good time — to be in trim for welcoming its advent. ... "
Is this a lullaby written by Vivekananda with purity of mind? Who is this jewel? Why gold? What is this apple coming to his mouth by itself? What is this coming, coming, coming.
"You must persuade Harriet to give me a few dollars every month" .
What is Harriet giving Vivekananda a few dollars every month?
SERVICE TO MANKIND
Swamiji added service as a mask for his craze to mobilise dollars. If there is no mention of service and charity, foreign donors will not give. For example, he released Rs. 100 to Sister Nivedita for plague relief work, quite reluctantly, whereas he sent $480 dollars to Ms. Christina Greenstidel for coming to India in FIRST CLASS, giving her a choice "Do with the money just as it pleases you." He expected his disciples, and his brother-disciples to mobilise their own funds for charity work. He represented to foreign donors that everything was done by him while the disciples sweated. (This leadership style, Shri Narendra Modi, Rahul Gandhi, Aravind Kejriwal, Mamata Banerjee, and other Indian politicians are now imitating).He spent the money, he earned through his lectures, as he liked. This you can observe from his letter to Ms. Ole.
Swamiji's conduct as paramahamsa (Great Swan) monk
Vivekananda called himself and his guru "paramahamsas (Great Swans)".
I invite you Shri Anonymousji to provide a list of attributes of a paramahamsa monk.
dhyAnam with turtles, shad fish and goats in stomach
When we see the photos of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Swami Vivekananda in postures of meditation, we get a great impression that they are flying in some ionosphere. With Swami Vivekananda's belly filled with chicken, shad fish and turtles, liquor, cigar smoke and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa's belly filled with goat's meat, what type of 'dhyAna-sphere' they would have entered into?
Gayatri mantram says
ॐ भूर्भुवः स्वःWhere will the dheo (intellect) go, when the stomach faces turmoils caused by turtles, shad fish, cigar smoke and liquor. For this reason only, in Vivekananda's letters addressed to Ms. Christina Greenstidel, Mrs. Ole Bull, et al, throughout the period of his second visit to U.S., and till his death, contain numerous references to the state of his stomach.
तत्सवितुर्वरेण्यं ।
भर्गो देवस्य धीमहि
धियो यो नः प्रचोदयात् ॥
Om Bhuur-Bhuvah Svah
Tat-Savitur-Varennyam |
Bhargo Devasya Dhiimahi
Dhiyo Yo Nah Pracodayaat ||
Meaning:
1: Om, that (Divine Illumination) which Pervades the Bhu Loka (Physical Plane), Bhuvar Loka (Antariksha Loka or the Astral Plane) and Suvar Loka (Swarga Loka or the Celestial Plane),
2: That Savitr (Divine Illumination) which is the Most Adorable,
3: On that Divine Radiance we Meditate,
4: May that Enlighten Our Intellect and Awaken our Spiritual Wisdom.
Engl. gist: kind courtesy greenmesg.org.
Your comment: There was some confusion in the mind of Miss Muller that Swami Vivekananda was not following strict discipline of Vegetarianism and smoking Cigarette as a Hindu monk. Swami-ji pointed out that these are nothing to do with Monks,
It was not Miss Muller who was confused. Vivekananda did not meet her expectations. Even Vivekananda was not confused. He wanted to have both the worlds. The world of turtles, shad fish, chicken, cigar, liquors and the honors which the society extends to monks, without checking whether they are genuine or not.
Europeans can really NEVER know how genuine Hindu Monks are expected to live, because they are not familiar with India's ancient past. Wearing kAshAya robes, some peculiar turban, some waist belt was sufficient for them to believe that a person was a Hindu monk.
An English-knowing monk can easily score over English-not-knowing monks, because he can easily explain his unmonkly behavior. When Vivekananda tried to explain that vegetarianism, liquors and smoking were not taboo for Hindu monks, it suited the Europeans very much, because here was a Hindu monk who did not ask them to stop ham and binges of booze.
American women were not convinced with the explanations provided by Swami Vivekananda and they could not believe that monks could behave like ordinary individuals, and could suffer from diseases which commoners suffer. For this reason only, his second visit to U.S.A. was a failure. When Vivekananda wanted a fund for his personal maintenance to be raised by subscribing $100 each, very few people came forward and it did not materialise. Vivekananda returned to India, nearly empty handed.
mithyAhAra vihAra sEvana (Consumption of inappropriate foods and indulging in inappropriate movements)
Swami Vivekananda's problems were mainly caused by mithyahara vihara sevana.
Mithyahara Vihara Sevana leads to Agnimandya as well as Amotpatti. Ahara Rasa forms improperly. Leads to Rasa Kshaya. Causes Jatharagni, without matching digestive capabilities.
This is the reason for the premature demise of Swamiji at just 39. While lecturing on rAjayoga, and selling rAjayOga books, he promised that followers will live 150 years. He himself died at 39!! Why? Because, he did not follow his preachings.
MY HUMBLE PERSONAL VIEWS
Monasteries (of all religions, by whatever name they are called, else you will say that I find fault only with Hinduism. You will ask me to write about other religions. Once, I visited a Bishop's Bungalow. They were also sleeping on hamsa tUlikA talpams after filling bellies with what not.) have to stop this intermediation work. Stop Collecting donations from Real Estate Agents, industrialists etc. Stop collecting Government grants. Begging/demanding funds from gullible foreigners. There are no proper accounts of how much money is spent on granite marbles, a/c chambers and cars and how much is spent on poor orphans. No proper audits.Poor people do not need charity. A fair share in the resources of the country and the society is people's natural right. No majority religion, no minority religion. No this caste, no that caste. Marxism can take care of everybody.
Till the society abolishes the occupation of 'monkhood', monks should work for their livelihood, like other householders. Didn't Kabir weave cloth on his loom, while singing his dOhe? Did n't Tukaram sing his abhangas while taking care of his jowar field? Did n't Telugu poet pOtana write mahAbhAgavatam, operating plough and stylus with equal ease? He ploughed fields to make his living. Mornings and evenings he used his stylus to write bhAgavatam on palm leaves, with no electricity or computers at that time!
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